Facts! They’re so fun! They remove those nasty bouts of ignorance. Well, not for Ray Kelly. According to him, the general public has been victimized by ‘misinformation,’ and he’s here to set the record straight, except, well, we have some issues with his evidence.
Kelly sat down with folks at the Queens Chronicle this week and talked policy and politics. When questioned about some of the issues we care about here – stop-and-frisk, surveillance, racism, and the occupy raid, he responded with some interesting stuff. Let’s set the record straight.
STOP-AND-FRISK
Ray Kelly: “We’re saving lives. Mostly young men of color,” Kelly reasoned.
“I think stop and question and sometimes frisk – which is less than 50 percent of the time – is a significant factor in this regard.”
Kelly went on to compare the murder rates in the city – from 11,028 in the decade before Bloomberg to 5,430 murders in the decade after Bloomberg – as a justification for this racist practice.
Facts: Murder rates have dropped nationally in the past twenty years. It’s not just New York City, and it’s not because of stop-and-frisk. Poignantly, murders by guns haven’t changed since stop-and-frisk escalated. There were 1,821 in 2002 and 1,892 in 2011, yet stop-and-frisk increased exponentially.
ARRESTING JOURNALISTS AT LIBERTY PLAZA?
Ray Kelly: According to the article, “Officers did not wantonly manhandle journalists as they emptied Zuccotti Park in Manhattan of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last November.”
Paul Browne, who should know a lot about misinformation, was with Kelly in Queens. According to the Queens Chronicle, Browne added his take on issue of arresting journalists:
“only one journalist was arrested during the operation, despite stories to the contrary, which he called ‘a total myth.’ Occupy Wall Street protesters were forging press credentials in an effort to get through the police lines, he added, but that doesn’t mean actual reporters were arrested.”
Facts: That the NYPD gets to define who constitutes a journalist seems rather odd to us. But still! The Committee to Protect Journalists reports that at least seven journalists were arrested when Liberty Square was violently raided, including reporters from the New York Daily News, AP, and DNAinfo. Multiple journalists held NYPD press passes.
Again, NYPD has the gate and the keys when it comes to press passes. It took Gothamist eight years and thousands of dollars to finally get theirs. Press passes are notoriously difficult, if not impossible, to obtain, and the NYPD has shown great disdain for internet-based news sites. But I guess it doesn’t even matter if they’ll still arrest you?
SURVEILLANCE?
Ray Kelly: “Terrorism is theater, and New York is the biggest stage.”
Facts: The NYPD has exceeded it’s boundaries, chasing and surveilling citizens (who happen to be Muslim) in New Jersey. He also equates terrorists with Muslims, which is just really fucked up.
This concludes our round of fact checking with Ray Kelly! Next round is, uh, whenever he opens his mouth.















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You have quoted the following figures incorrectly in two of your articles, (implying shooting victims were murdered): 1,821 people were victims of gunfire, according to NYPD and city statistics. That's virtually the same number as in 2002, Bloomberg's first year in office, when 1,892 people were shot.(SOURCE: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120605/new-york…
A victim of gunfire is not one that was necessarily murdered. One could surmise there is a tremendous difference between a glancing flesh wound to the shoulder and one to temple.
Incidentally, there were 649 murders in 2001 and 515 in 2010, of which 314 were by gunfire (NYPD 2010 report, found on their website). These numbers are considerably fewer than the total number of shooting victims.
Another statistic that may be of some interest is the drop in adversarial incidents of armed civilians shooting at police since 2000, from 63 to 33 in 2010:
(SOURCE :http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/afdr_20111116.pdf)
Also, in terms of national trends, the city of brotherly love has many of the same challenges in terms of policing a limited number of highly violent neighborhoods. There were 309 murders there in 2001, and 324 in 2010; which amounts to a rate of 20.7 per 100,000. NYC's rate for 2010 was 6.1 per 100,000 for 2010. (US news and world report) Philly does not use stop and question.
food for the animal thought….